and he didn't say romney will never recover, but the implication was, romney's in a heap of trouble. >> chris redfern, who is the chairman of the democratic party in ohio also with us tonight. chris. a very untenable position that governor kasich is being placed in, to go out and talk about the economy when it's all positive for workers, and mitt romney's had nothing to do about it. what do you make of that? >> well, it's really important to realize that the downturn in the unemployment rates in ohio began long before john kasich took office. a close look at the record, we will reflect that the auto rescue came long before john kasich had a chance to take his turn as governor. and the commitment that the president made to middle income earners in places like toledo, a location that mitt romney stopped today and didn't even mention jeep -- >> so you're on a roll. the democrats in ohio are on a roll. how do you keep from being overconfident right now? it's almost like you're running up the score. >> well, we're going to try to get every vote out. there's 11.5 million ohions and every v